Pamela is interviewed by Jan Marolt on the occasion of her release The Jeshua Channelings in Slovenian. The interview focuses on her personal journey and how she experiences her relationship with Yeshua in everyday life. He also talks more broadly about healing, inner growth and the role of spiritual teachers.
Part I of the interview was released last month.
Question 5: Looking back, what is the biggest difference between the Pamela of the early 2000s and the Pamela of today, both spiritually and personally?
Personally, I’d say I’m more grounded now, more disillusioned – which I think is a good thing because I used to be more naive and idealistic. This naivety made me excited, hopeful, and optimistic, but that kind of excitement can be false or an illusion. So now I am more informed, more realistic, more grounded. It might sound a little boring, but it actually feels really good.
A lot happened in the early 2000s. I started channeling in 2002, right after my daughter – my only child – was born. I met Gerrit about a year and a half ago, and our meeting made a big difference, because for the first time I really met a soul mate. Our gathering sparked an explosion of creativity.
I started channeling in 2002 right after my daughter was born. It was as if his birth had somehow created a channel for me to be more grounded and able to receive spiritual information. I have always been very open in the higher chakras, but not very grounded in the lower ones. Meeting Gerrit and having our daughter a year later seemed to create the right conditions for spiritual work to begin – and it happened very quickly.
From Jeshua I received the first series of transmissions, the Lightworker series, which became the book The Jeshua Channelings. I got it together with Gerrit in the first years. After I posted it, nothing happened at first – then it took off and attracted a lot of people. This was very challenging for me because I felt a lot of hesitation and fear about expressing myself as a channel. At the same time, starting to channel Jeshua and building our practice was an incredible adventure, and I was deeply satisfied with it. So even though it was a mixture of joy and fear, I knew without a doubt that this was the path of my soul.
Sometimes I look back on those years with nostalgia – the feeling of miracles happening, the excitement and a lot of things finally coming together. But I was also very insecure. Now I feel more confident, more aware of who I am, what I can and cannot do. Because of my sensitivity, for example, I can’t do a lot of things: I can’t work a lot, I can’t go out and do things the way most people do – but I’ve accepted that and I don’t judge myself for it anymore.
At this point in my life—I’m 57 now—I also appreciate that I feel more detached, less future-focused, simply because I have less of a future. I think the aging process can be amazing. A kind of natural ascension is taking place. Sometimes I have remarkable experiences—along the ocean or through a beautiful forest—when my consciousness seems to become one with everything. I feel like I’m not quite human anymore, and it’s hard to put into words, but it’s very liberating. Sometimes I see what it’s like to be human from the perspective of the other side: how strange and how strangely limiting, but also how adventurous it is to be in a human body. I feel the miracle, but also its limitations. And it’s kind of like happiness to know that at some point I’m freed from it and I return to this feeling of not being stuck in a single point in time and space – I’m freer as an awareness.
In your question, you make a distinction between what has changed for me spiritually and personally. For me, the two are so intertwined that I don’t really know how to separate them. Maybe – well, true spirituality means that you embody knowledge or wisdom, not just know it intellectually, but actually live it. That’s the only thing that matters. And so I think that through some serious ups and downs, I now know the truth of what Jesus and Mary Magdalene conveyed through me from the inside out. I have integrated it on an experiential level and it is the most complete of all.
Question 6: How can those who are still transitioning from ego consciousness to heart consciousness recognize and surround themselves with people who more fully embody this state?
The first thing that strikes me about this question is that we seem to be in control of who we attract and surround ourselves with. To some extent of course yes – but I think for the most part no. We are surrounded by people: our birth families, colleagues, friends we meet in everyday life. I think the most basic thing is that we have to trust that we attract people who belong in our lives in some way, people who challenge us and bring us joy. It’s usually a mix of the two. Everyone who is really important to you will come as a package: you feel inspired by them, and yet the relationship raises difficult emotions and challenges.
I also believe, based on my own experience and witnessing the struggles of many clients, that we tend to attract people like ourselves, especially if those people are really important to us: partner, spouse, close friends with whom we spend a lot of time. Like attracts like; this is the law of energy. Of course, this can change over time. But when you find yourself thinking, “This person is on a much lower frequency than I am—I can’t bear to be around them,” there’s usually some resonance, some similarity between the two of you, even if it’s only in a particular aspect of life that’s important in that context.
If you really want to surround yourself with people who more fully embody heart consciousness, the only way to do that is to more fully embody heart consciousness yourself. It always starts with yourself. And when you do, you may find that you naturally drift away from certain relationships, relationships, and friendships. Control is there. I’ve said before that we often can’t control who enters our lives – but as you grow consciously and take responsibility for your own frequency and state of mind, you can begin to say no to certain people and situations. Eventually, you will attract different people, though often miraculously you cannot control it with your mind. You can only control your own state of consciousness.
Question 7: Many seekers are looking for guidance and support. How can one recognize that a spiritual teacher or leader one meets is truly authentic and genuine?
A teacher or leader should be someone who embodies heart-based awareness more fully than you do—one or more steps ahead of you. Only then can they really teach you something.
The simplest answer I can give is this: how do you feel in the presence of this person? The first time I met Jeshua, the energy was so deep and pure that I immediately knew something special was happening. It even scared me a little because the presence was so strong—not in a way that made me afraid, but rather a feeling of awe, deep honesty, and absolute clarity. The problem with teachers and leaders – both in human form and on the astral level, which I see as a kind of dense psychic dimension around Earth – is that both can use words and concepts that seem very wise and profound, but something is missing: joy, a quality of light, not in a fluffy or naive way, but in a combination of joy, simplicity, clarity, directness. I think these are the characteristics of true teachers or tour guides. A sense of humor is also a very good sign.
I also think you should ask yourself: why am I looking for a teacher or tour guide at all? I think it’s natural to be inspired by a teacher for a while – temporarily – and then continue on your own path. If you stick to this perspective lightly, almost playfully, almost anything can really inspire you. It doesn’t have to be a formal spiritual teacher, especially one surrounded by an entire organization. Personally, I’m a bit skeptical in such cases. But even a song on the radio, a movie or a great book can be a teacher.
Even the best teachers embodied heart-based awareness only to a certain extent. Each of them has their own perspective, their own flavor of truth, shaped by their own unique path. What they say may resonate deeply with you for a while and be wonderful and truly helpful—but it isn’t the truth. This is the frequency of truth as it shines through them.
My short answer would be this: trust your gut about someone. Don’t get too carried away by words, theories or systems and always stay true to your own sense of justice.
Question 8: What do you think is the greatest contribution that a single individual can make to humanity and society at this time?
I believe that in any era of history, every individual must focus on their own inner growth – which means facing their own darkness so that at some point the light of their soul can shine through them. This is when they make their greatest contribution to humanity.
Serving the world and serving yourself—with a capital Y—are ultimately the same thing. When you shift from ego to heart-based awareness, you reach a higher state of consciousness, and this naturally affects the world and the people around you. But that shouldn’t be the primary goal. Your primary goal should be to manage your own inner life. In fact, you can’t really clean up anyone else’s mess—let alone the world’s mess—if you haven’t dealt with your own first.
Your greatest contribution is always your own unique light, your own unique flavor of truth. You can only introduce it into the world if you have really gone deep into it and faced your emotional problems: trauma, pain, victimhood, anger, resistance, mistrust, fear. All of these must be faced, and your willingness to face them will already begin to change you. You enter into heart-based consciousness when you are willing to face your own darkness honestly and openly, because in doing so you allow love and compassion and your frequency will rise as a result.
So you don’t have to be perfect. You don’t have to be a peaceful and smiling human being all the time to contribute something meaningful to humanity. You can be fully human. Yet the awakened heart will naturally take care of its own blind spots. Gradually, a natural desire to share your light, wisdom, joy, love – with other people, the earth, humanity – will arise in your heart. It will not be an ego-driven desire, not “I have to change the world” or “we must finally move forward.” There won’t be that combative attitude that is so often quite judgmental and moralistic. Instead, there is simply a natural joy when you truly speak and act from the heart. You will touch others, even if you don’t know it – and it will feel like you are yourself.
This phrase is overused and clichéd, but it is your greatest contribution: being yourself, being fully human. And precisely because you accept and know this, you become completely divine at the same time.
For me, my work – broadcasting, writing, leading workshops – is the highest expression of my soul’s energy at this point in my life. And at the same time, I am a very imperfect human being, still in the process of embodying heart-based consciousness. But now this is my biggest contribution.
Everyone has the greatest contribution to make and you don’t have to look at it as some distant future. It’s here, now. You don’t have to be perfect. You already have heart-based awareness, I’m sure, and it’s already touching others. That’s how change happens – through everyday human beings. The small drops of light spread out and reach other people. Even small acts of kindness, or simply genuine warmth towards someone, are beautiful and worthy contributions.
© Pamela Kribbe
